to this point regardless is there anything then at the moment that you think finance leaders are perhaps overthinking and are there similarly things that they're not thinking about considering if you like enough

I think, and I have followed down this track myself, I've spent a lot of time experimenting, but I'll come to that, experimenting and dabbling with AI and building things that I didn't need to build and things that, oh, I can do this.

Oh, you can do that now.

Let's try that and build whole systems and whole apps.

And it's like, oh, actually, I could have just used this supplier who'd done it better and it's more secure.

And I didn't need to waste that much time or the team's time doing this.

But with the experimentation, it surfaced lots of risks about the connected nature of these tools.

and we talk quite a lot actually about the finance leader having to go beyond the four walls of of their office you know in the in the past not not too many years ago it was probably a more introverted role and they would have kept themselves themselves but what you've said there kind of emphasizes that point that now they have to be on the shop floor they have to know a bit of everyone they have to be able to have those conversations is that fair