Mm-hmm.

He has changed a lot, I think, over the last 40 years, 30, 40 years, and I think he's become a lot nicer and a lot less petulant.

He was pretty grumpy, pretty spoilt when he was in his sort of 30s and 40s, I would say.

So some of those things ring true.

Funnily enough, one of the things that really did ring true for me wasn't the conversat- w- was the passage about the boys walking behind their mother's coffin.

It wasn't actually Charles saying, "No one will remember her," and all these awful things that, uh, Spencer has said he said.

It was the tiny detail where he said that actually the main reason that the committee around Charles, and Charles wanted the boys to walk behind the coffin, was because they were so concerned that Charles was going to be abused by the crowd-

So you think, you think Charles did that? You think Charles-

I would imagine, although of course none of us actually know, a considerable degree of support from Prince William over this.

Yes.

My gut feeling is that William and Catherine will have been very pleased to have seen something put down that I don't think they necessarily want to see a snub.

Whilst relations we know aren't good between them, I honestly don't think they want to make them any worse.

But of course, the The roles that the royal family do and the official events that they choose to undertake are carefully thought through.

And there is rhyme and reason behind those.

And those charitable organisations or those events that they choose to do are sending a message.

Was it always going to be that college, do you think, Daisy?

Were those motivating factors in this decision?

I mean, there are all sorts of theories, and I think the truth is probably a mishmash of all those reasons.

Certainly, we're told that, uh, Harry has wanted for some time for his children to spend some time in the UK to understand their British heritage.

They don't just have any old British heritage, they are senior members of the royal family, and they've spent very, very little time, if any at all, in this country.

So I think the fact they're going to British schools tells a story.

Of course, many people have been putting two and two together and saying, "Well, it's obvious that the reason that Harry wanted to move his family over here was to spend more time with his father, their grandfather.

Therefore, he must be more mortally ill than we believe he is." Now, personally, I don't think that that necessarily adds up.

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Has t- has the American dream just simply died and that's the beginning and end of the story?

They haven't been the huge success that they hoped they would be.

I mean, when you look at the Netflix show, the only one that really did well for them was Harry & Meghan, which came in with 23 point, I don't know, 23.4, 24- 3.5 million views.

The others d- haven't done so well.

The deal wasn't renewed the, the way they wanted it to be.

Her Reserva series hasn't been the huge success she thought it would be.

They're not hanging out with all the Hollywood stars that we saw at their wedding.

I just wanna say, what, what was your thoughts on what Katie had to say about that mix of duty and commercialism?

What have you learned about what may have prompted this?

I think there are multiple elements of the reasoning behind this decision, but you're absolutely right.

This has come out of the blue, uh, for many Brits.

One of the most obvious reasons is the children.

They're now seven and five.

That is, uh, school-going age here in the UK.

Uh, Lilibet being five would be starting, uh, at the bottom of a school, and we know they've already been enrolled in a school, not here in London, but somewhere, uh, in the countryside.

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Yeah.

So I think the fact that people think he's doing a decent job gives, if he now wants to go further with Harry and Meghan, I think he's got the sort of, the impetus and the ball rolling.

Whether that translates into, "We love the royal family, and we want the royal family to continue, you know, um, forever and ever," that's a different matter, and that will matter hugely to the King because he knows that his legacy, every monarch's legacy is partly due to have you increased the importance and the position of the royal family-

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I haven't tried them.

Maybe they're not very good.

Maybe they just didn't have the...

Maybe they, Harry and Meghan, didn't have the popularity to sell that stuff.

Mm

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in your stature, and I think that's what he's done inadvertently to Burnham.

So I'm sure that the Burnham camp won't be sorry at all.

And then, of course, throwing some insults, you know, he's a small-town mayor and so on.

That's just part of, you know...

Again, it's a badge of honor when you're insulted, I think, by Donald Trump, particularly to those who don't like Donald Trump, and a lot of Andy Burnham's natural fan base will be anti-Trump, so they'll probably quite like the fact, uh, that Trump seems to be, uh, think this guy is a, is a bit of a, an idiot and not somebody, um, who he should respect.

What snowflakes they're being.

I can't think who you're thinking of.

And, and they won't be the last.

But honestly, the thought of, what is it? Seven prime ministers in ten years, if we end up with a, a new one, either Streeting or Burnham, whoever it might be after Starmer, it is quite exhausting and disappointing.

And I think Tony Blair's got a point when he says, "Surely you need to-- you, the Labor Party, need to work out the policies first and then who's leading you second." I think that, that is perfectly valid because it does seem that it's, it's the policies that people are really annoyed about, or the lack of them, the lack of the, the sort of, as, as he said, the drift that we seem to be, uh, going under at the moment.

So I think that's valid.

And it is quite unseemly, of course, but we've seen that.

We've seen much more unseemly, uh, in the past.

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