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They chose e- to, um, to go on the show as a pair.

They, there were a million different decisions that could've been made for Nathan not to take the job, for Gail not to go away, to stay with her family, for Gail to bring a friend out, or for them to, to follow through with the decision knowing how difficult this period was gonna be, but decided it was best as a family for them to be together, for him to be on the show.

You don't get your cake and c- cake and get to eat it.

I have been on the show, and honestly, as a c- cast member, I am even frustrated that he gets to go home after the nights out.

Yeah

... heart doesn't go out, it goes out to Gail and what she's going through.

But saying that, I, you know, you, you make decisions that you both decide that are right for your family.

Firstly, from your side, how was that and how was it having them as your first charter of the season? Because they are demanding ladies.

For sure.

Well, it was funny because when I came on, I was so focused on me having a good season because I'd come off the back of Blowdeck Sailing season five, which wasn't my best season.

We'd paused for a year, so I didn't know if I was going to be coming back.

So I was very much in the zone of like, I need to smash this.

And, you know, I kind of got like told like, oh, the first charter is a big charter.

Be prepared.

the tone.

How does that affect you as like a stew just, just dealing with having a camera crew in there and producers and like microphones dangling all over the place?

Um, it's ...

Do you know what? It's not too bad.

When it comes to production, they really stay out of the way.

Uh, we rarely see the producers.

Um, they're veryProfessional and they don't like intr- You know, I, I have a little bit of a different relationship five years later than maybe some of the junior cast member, members.

But, um, we really just see the cameramen and the audio people.

Yeah.

Every time we have a deckhand on Below Deck, I'm like, does this ever really properly work?

I know, I know.

I mean, it is.

That is what it is.

It's gone into character development so quickly.

I think Below Deck, one of our struggles is the constant turnover of crew and why this season is really exciting because you have people that they already know, like Alicia, Ellie, Ben Joie.

So the audience is more invested.

How has it changed for you just kind of the experience of doing the show and like fitting that into your life?

Okay, your reaction to Ellie joining and did you speak to Aisha to get advice?

So I did not speak to Aisha getting advice.

I didn't.

It all happened very quickly.

My reaction, I was nervous.

Okay.

Yeah.

I

How and why did you pick the life that you have? I mean,

what brought you there? I think how I got into yachting was my dad.

He was a yachtie himself, and I had his brothers and sisters were yachties, and we just were kind of encouraged to travel from a really young age.

So I had a real thirst for it for my whole life, and I was like, I want to do something that involves travel.

So I went and studied hotel management and found myself in London.

And I was like, oh, this isn't that good.

It's kind of cold and I'm kind of poor.

And in the wrap-up reunion show or whatever it's called, you were one of the first ones to really say, I have learned so much about myself by watching the show.

Well, you had the dinner, or at least it presents as, like, the dinner the night before or something with Joao and Ben and stuff

... yeah, like, we...

I'm trying to think when we kinda spoke about it.

But, you know, I went in, you know, concentrating on myself.

And, you know, people ask me, like, did I reach out to Aesha or things like that.

And I'm like, "No," because I don't want a preconceived opinion of how I should approach Jason or approach the boat.

Like, I have my way, and, you know, I wanted to make our relationship ours.

Yeah.

and you know everybody it seems like on these shows they're like time to hook up if I mean I'm not talking about the guests I'm talking about the staff they're all like I'm here to hook

up.

Well, because if it's, you know, if it's not going to happen then, it's not going to happen at all.

So I guess it does kind of give you permission.

And not necessarily because it's televised, but you are there for this short experience.

And that's the way the producers will pitch it as well.

Like, if you have something to say to somebody, now's the time.

And I