What would they say? How much of it is it's a particular eschatology or theology? How much of it is they just don't want to get involved because it causes division and may impact their ability to build their own brands? You know, I mean, what would the answer be?

Well, I think what you said there is the key insight that I would agree with.

There's a number of reasons why people would do this.

For some people, they're just leftists, and they want the left to win, and they want the right to lose, and so they'll just market that message with Christianity.

But I think the issue with loser theology is that this moves forward in conservative churches and people that have conservative beliefs.

And I think in that case, loser theology wins in churches and with pastors because the alternative is hard.

We take the path of least resistance.

And are we sure that this conversation may go the way that we think? Or is it not going to be as, you know, as two plus two equals four maybe as it seems right now when you're just looking at it ideologically? Your thoughts on that?

So why did you use that phrase, why the weak will not inherit the earth? Because a lot of people are like, well, what do you mean? It says right in the Bible, the meek will, isn't that the same thing? It's not.

I've had so many people comment to me that it's like, what do you mean? So you're negating scripture.

And they say that because they assume that the Bible says the weak shall inherit the earth.

But it's in the Beatitudes, Matthew chapter five, Jesus said, blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth.

And meek and weak are very different words.

And the only thing they have in common is that they rhyme, but they have different meanings.

Meekness is an expression of strength that is under control.

So what else is in the book, Loser Theology?

Um, just could you respond to that be- um, it- d- do you yourself think that there is a certain legitimate dyn- um, angle there that, um, that Christianity would appear to be stronger when it is an oppressed minority? St- by stronger I mean, um, more, um, authentic, more coherent.

Mm-hmm.

Yes, and, and I address this, um, in the book.

So the, the issue is, is that what are we commanded to do in scripture? And then what are we informed about that God may do, um, that is outside of our control? So what we're commanded to do is to seek to make the will of Christ supreme in all areas of life.

So I'm a Southern Baptist, and our Southern Baptist, uh, statement of faith called the Baptist Faith and Message, has a section on the social order which says, "Christians should seek to make the will of Christ supreme in our culture." So that's our goal, that's our mandate.

In the Great Commission, Matthew 28, Jesus said, "To make disciples of all nations." You could even understand that as disciple the nations.

So our missional mandate as Christians is beyond...

In your own words, uh, recast that in an authentic way, um, if, if you wouldn't mind, as you do in your book.