Yeah.

Yeah.

So, so one thing, this is such a great example in, in a couple of things.

And, and both of you hit on something that, that I want to highlight is you hit on the opposite of nice.

So oftentimes we think there's only two choices.

We think that you're either nice and you put on the smile and the gratuities and all of the things that are the happy, pleasantries and you hold up this nice ball with this grudge on your back the whole time like, this is so heavy.

Why are you making me hold up this ball? And it's part of a pendulum and we hold it and hold it until it's too heavy and then we let it go.

I

I think there's clearly a lot there for me.

Yeah.

It really came to light when I was dating Patty.

So she lived in Tooele and I liked to run.

And we went, or I went running on this trail and it happened to merge without me knowing.

There's a row of bushes.

It merged into another trail.

In your own journey then, what did it look like for you to actually get sober?

Yeah.

Yeah.

You hit it so well.

We do it.

We put on the smile so that we can avoid the frown.

Yeah.

We turn up the corners of our mouths so the water won't drip out our eyes.

Yeah.