Kind of looking back at that time and pushing through to where you guys are now, and, you know, the internal state of the band then to how it is now, do you recall, like, the turning point as to when you were pushing through, when things, you know, the tides were turning, I guess, and, and, you know, being glad that you did push through to this point where you are now?

I think it was in this writing process.

We...

When we went into the studio to record the EP there was...

We didn't have a label that, like, we specifically talked to about this EP.

Like, everything we had released prior to was with Triple B, but when we went into the studio it was just kinda like, "We're not telling anyone we're going into the studio.

There's no pressure." Um, when we started writing for this even it was just kinda like, you know, like, I...

Oh, no. [laughs]