And what was it that you heard at the inquest?

So the whole lead up until the inquest, obviously his final moments just haunted me, thinking of all the worst things and everyone convinced me it would have been quick and they would have been knocked unconscious.

And then at the inquest we heard the absolute worst news that I could have possibly heard and that was that he was conscious.

That's something I've had to have thought before and I don't think it was ever going to leave me because I just think as a mum, you think, what was his final moments? Was he thinking of me? I'm so sorry.

I keep saying this to you, but I'm just so sorry.

So then I obviously, then that just, I fell down a rabbit hole researching that because his death and the boy's death were recorded as RTC.

And this is also an issue.

How helpful are things like that?

So people who might be watching some of this or seeing it on YouTube or their social media platform, could you explain to us, because there is a detachment until it is you, when you took that phone call, what happened afterwards?

Well, it wasn't even just as simple as that with us.

It wasn't a phone call.

It sort of situation escalated.

So Harvey, we were more concerned all the time with Harvey with about him being out on his push bike because, you know, he was a young lad and you can give them lifts as much as you like, but they still like to get from one place to another on themselves.

So, you know, he'd go to the gym or he'd go to work and he'd quite often go places on his push bike.

And like any teen, you know, they can't understand the risk.

And then at what point after this tragedy did you turn this pain and that suffering into a campaign? How soon after? Did you need some time afterwards?