Arguably then, are those typically corporate dinosaurs who were likely to get the CEO positions the right people? Or should we be saying the change is actually so radical, we need that fresh thinking approach and actually we're willing to go three or four levels down to give these position opportunities? positions to people who can adapt and outthink and outpace our competitors in this dynamic changing environment.

brilliant, you know, brilliant framework and thought.

What I'm noticing in companies is that indeed, like the companies that are more change resistant as such, as a culture, as an industry, they just made a lot of money in the past.

They love their, you know, somehow delusional stability.

So sometimes they will tend to hire people who are indeed, you know, very experienced, you know, 60, 65 plus.

Like take HSBC, which had recently announced a global CEO who, if I'm not mistaken, he is either 75 or actually 80 plus.

And the reason they chose, you got HSBC, you got the bank that is, you know, claiming to want to reinvent itself, to serve clients globally, really much under fintech pressure, and they reach out for a very senior The reason they did that, they said, is because they need someone who is incredibly diplomatic and patient at developing stakeholder relationships in complex ecosystems of geopolitical fragmentation.

Over to you.