i mean when you're used to your own scans when yeah

i have been spoiled i have been spoiled and even like we were saying earlier about um because i used to work at leeds photo visual which then became calumet which then became wex um so in the mid 90s i was only working in the warehouse there there was a guy called van who lives in manchester and he was like the digital was just coming in he was the head of digital and every lunch time he he was always trying to get me a job in in the digital section not in trying to get me out the warehouse and um i used to take in all my six by seven tries transparencies should i say um velvia and it would sit there and scan them on a name of complex type and even then we were getting like 56 60 megabyte tiff files off it they were like they were big files you know what i mean they were better than any any digital camera i mean back then that was when the kodak during the kodak dcs digital came out it was about one megapixel oh it was about six grand oh my god and it was one megapixel it was massive it looked like a big eos I don't know, one RV, I think.

It was a Kodak DCS.

and uh and there was a fujifilm fine pics as well and i think they were both like one megapixel wow and they were thousands of pounds but they looked there were nothing like a scanned on an imacon scanned six by seven transparency exactly on velvia oh yeah and van knew how to get rid of all the dust he used he used a blur method and i i bumped into a few years ago in manchester and i'm at boohoo and i meant to ask him What was that message you mentioned about getting rid of dust? Because now I need it.

I need it.

The main one is that digital photography looks heartless and terrible.

Not all of it doesn't.

Not all of it doesn't.

it timeless?

It's just an, it's just, um, It's funny, really, because as a child, I was obsessed with the future.

I watched Star Wars incessantly.

Every weekend, I'd have Star Wars, Empire, or Jedi on the video.

Every weekend, I watched it.

I knew the script.

I could read the script alongside it.

What attracted you to the world of, Of the circus.