How do you see your services role within post-crash of the safe system? So in terms

of the post-crash kind of response perspective, and you'll be absolutely familiar that we've been attending road traffic collisions for a number of years now.

And I think it's fair to say that back in the day when we were road traffic collision instructors going back probably 15 years ago things have moved on considerably since then and so I think you know certainly the services role has needed to evolve with the times with the new technology the new ways of you know the cars are new much safer but it makes it more difficult for our firefighters and crews when they need to then intervene and do some rescues so I think from that perspective, we've got better, more equipment, able to deal with more of the technology.

And I'll just give you a prime example of that in terms of my role as the Chief Fire Officer supporting the evolution of road traffic collision attendance.

So back in my day, it was about cut the roof off, do a B post rip, create that space.

But then towards the latter part of my career in training with the number of SRS systems, safety restraint systems in, even then it started to change of, well, you know, you need to cut what you need to cut and you need to create the space that you need to create to get the casualty out.

Fast forward now, we're now using much more safe tunnelling techniques because we don't want to cut if we don't have to cut and there's different ways of actually getting the casualty out.

Is that in itself a challenge? How do you ensure that every firefighter who's operational has the same quality of training and is as good at what you need them to be doing?