But maybe you just give us a, kind of, insight how much ever you want to to be honest.

Yeah.

Look, it, it, it, it's gonna be shown on TNT, and it'll be on HBO Max on Friday after the first game of the season.

Uh, we have the official screening this week.

So, um, it, it came about actually through TNT, a guy called Tom Boswell in there, great guy, overseas documentaries, kind of, came to us when Lewis, um, w- went public with his diagnosis, and he was like, "What do you think?" And we're like, "Yeah, we should make this film." And he's like, "Yeah, we should make this film." So, um, it, it, it took a...

You know what Lewis' like.

He's not, he doesn't want the spotlight.

What, what's the ideal thing from your perspective, having made this amazing documentary, to see what can we do to change something in the future for that off the back of the documentary?

Did you have friends that went to the same, that were going to the same university as you or was it different?

So initially, my first year of college, I went to UCD and then I changed courses to Maynooth.

Courses wasn't for me at the end of it.

But I'm from Selver, so it's right by Maynooth.

So I was probably one of three people in my year who was going to UCD.

And the majority, I think half of my year, goes to Maynooth in the school that I was at.

And even the people that...

Do you think there's anything colleges or students unions could do to improve the college experience and maybe help with these feelings? The people in some ways will go through inevitably, but to provide that uplifting experience like you've described there.

So what's your prediction today, then, Chris?

Listen, I think Saints are the most exciting team in the league.

They finish the season top of the table.

What's exciting about their rugby? They score loads of tries.

They score an average 5.26 tries per match.

So they love attacking.

They love to go, go, go, go.

Well, you're just

school.

We called it school.

We called it school.

It was like, it was taking stones out of potato fields.

But it was life school, people.

It was all they needed.

So I was convinced.

oh,

And c'mere, what's your name? Olga Vyklova, yeah?" And she's there, "

"And who was beside me? Matthäus.

Yeah.

I was with Jeff Parling, actually, to say.

Yeah, to recap, uh, doing a game.

I love Draco.

Um, I was doing a game about three or four weeks ago in Villa Park.

Rugby decided to have all their matches in football stadiums that day.

Mm

... and whatever it might be, getting over that and the things you miss.

And I said, "Would you, would you go for therapy?" He goes, "Well, actually a lot of players do." I said, "Would you do it now and let us film it?" And he said, "Yeah, okay." So I contacted Richie Sadler, of course, who's been through the ruttin' mill himself, and you know, pro footballer, had tough times, came through it, and now he's a psychologist.

Fantastic guy, just a wonderful human being.

So we, we filmed the sessions with Brian pinpointing those five or six stages of post-career grief.

And then for each stage, we'd go and meet someone who suffered particularly badly.

Mm

And she turned it down because she wants to help bring up, she wanted to bring up the kids.

Tommy, hang tight.

Hang.

We're not going to be home for dinner.

[laughs] But, like, you know, rugby is, is a game of chess, you know? And, and it's making people respect.

People, sometimes if you go to a match and, and you hear the fans going, "Yo, go wide, go wide.

Flash, flash, flash." And you're like, "No, no, no, no." Yeah.

I want, I want, I want pick and go, pick and go, pick and go.

Mm.