During that time, when did, when did it kind of occur to you that, Hey, maybe I can make a go of this more than just playing for fun, but maybe even attempt to pay the bills by being a musician.

Um, you know, I think I was in like sixth grade, maybe, maybe it was around the time that I was 13, 14, you know, cause at that time I had met some other kids that play and, and I, at this point was good friends with, with other kids that played, um, uh, from going to like IBMA and different, the Smithville Jamboree, um, stuff like that.

My parents and, or my grandparents would drive us around and stuff.

They were great.

But anyway, uh, I just kind of realized, yeah, exactly.

But I started realizing that my world was kind of shifting and And so many of my friends now were musicians.

And I remember realizing, like, maybe I could just do this.

Did you have a band in high school? Let's go there.