Yeah.

And pretty much everyone in the audience puts their hand up because it's happened to everyone a couple of times.

And then if they don't put their hands up and there's always one, you say, have you ever woken up with a bruise on your leg and gone? Where did that come from? You know, they're all examples of tissue injury, little or no pain at the time.

And then sometimes you open it up to the crowd and they'll go, oh, God, you know, This has happened to me.

And that's then where kind of the magic happens.

You hear what people's stories are always the most compelling, far more than what's on some scientific paper.

But if you can make the two match up and you can explain it, then that's that's kind of where the magic happens.

Yes, sorry, yes, National

so to speak like enough i'm gonna say celebrities with it or people of you know just people happy to talk about whatever the thing is um like has this kind of happened with the things you mentioned earlier does that need to happen um because in a way with those mental things again it was it's it's it's again up in the air it's multiple factors driving that potentially that it's not just a simple biological thing um it's more complex so people i'd like to hope maybe that's a stepping stone to then get to the next bit

Maybe, maybe.

I think I don't know if you saw those two dramas, Dope Sick and Painkillers.

If you haven't watched them, they're both about the opioid crisis in the US, both dramatized.

One of them has Michael Keaton is in it.

both are phenomenally good.

So they're dramas, so they're meant to entertain.

I got into storytelling quite a bit, maybe about a year ago,

What did, what did working behind the scenes of tournaments teach you about professional golf that you could maybe never learn by watching it e- either on, on telly or, or in person at a tournament?

Well, it's, well, like when I got started into initially working on the region of the PGA, which was largely just based around kinda moving the circuit in Ireland and, and supporting clubs and staging their, their pro-am tournaments and a few pro-onlys.

I then got involved in, I suppose, event management and staging of, of professional golf tournaments at a much greater scale.

I've been enormously lucky to have worked on a number of Ladies European Tour events, Solheim Cup in a, in a staging management capacity, doing a bit of work with IMG in the likes of a Dunhill Links Championship.

And I was just blown away by the level of work, the, the layers that go into staging a golf tournament.

Most, like spectators see Thursday through Sunday, and they see what they need to see.

They see where they need to go to the toilet, and is that in the right pla- And they see where they need to get their pint and their pie, and then can I get in or out of the grandstand, and can I get somewhere that I can't, that I'm not meant to with, with, with a badge or without a badge kind of thing.

What have professional golfers taught you about your own golf course, about Cleen Castle maybe?

When you got the call, who was the first person then you called right after?

Oh, man, my family.

I, I called my dad, my mom, my brothers, my grandma.

I recently, unfortunately, my, my grandfather passed away right in the middle of all this.

It was, uh, it was just really emotional time for us, because, you know, he obviously was like, he was such a huge fan.

And so kind of getting the call up, like, in the midst of all that was like, I think we were honestly celebrating.

You know, 'cause we knew he would be happy and, and pleased, so he was, you know, looking down on us.

Yeah