Mm

... that were both born there.

And, um, and so, um, but still I didn't have the kind of interpersonal...

Like, when it became, when it came to me, I didn't know how to, um, use my voice in support of, you know, what I was up for, what I wasn't up for.

And so I was always kinda subsuming my needs or, or my, my value for privacy or my value for alone time, my value for, um, things that fed my spirit.

I wouldn't advocate for myself for that.

And so it wasn't particularly healthy that way, and we didn't have a mechanism or a structure to have any kind of difficult conversations, so we didn't have any.

So maybe speak of that ceremony, but also what other sort of vision quests do you do with your clients or for other people?