So let's start there.

Yep, that's a great question.

And my personal definition has changed over the course of three years of this job.

When I first started, it was a very technical definition.

And then, sure, I stole the definition from somebody that was more simple, that was just trees on farms on purpose.

And I really liked that because it got the point across until I started doing a lot of my work in New York City.

And when you try to talk about agroforestry in New York City and you say trees on farms on purpose, people are like, oh, but there's not really big farms here.

Like, what are some other woods beyond sugar maple that grow well in that shade of an understory of a sugar maple, but other wood that might be there?