Oh, yeah

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if you wanna debug a router, right, I know, I know what I plug in.

I know what comes out.

I don't really know what happens in the middle.

Infrastructure is easy, right? Uh, easy to an extent.

Um, obviously, you have to understand what you need, all of that, but it, it's, those ins and outs are easier.

Um, what if I could get connectivity, can I, do I have the ability, and how important is that ability to pull down that same stack again?