And it's actually far more complicated than you would think to miss this and possibly a little bit frustrating to an owner who you know we sort of we go down one route and then we go down another and then we go down another because these signs are quite ambiguous aren't they?

That's right.

And it can be a great opening gambit to say, look, this is going to be difficult in a few minutes here.

You might need to come back a few times.

It would be really helpful if you could collect some video footage.

Don't bombard me with that by email every other day, but collect four or five of the best examples of what you're seeing in your pet and then either bring that in or collect it into a data file to transfer or something like that.

And because, yes, ultimately, you know, it is really difficult to pick these things apart.

How have you experienced that over your career from the days where you were quite newly graduated right up until now where you're basically at the pinnacle of your career, all these accolades and things and people really look up to your knowledge and your support?