Anyone who's been on her professional couch knows she says the F word.

Yes, this is true.

So first of all, I read her exact comments.

Now, not about that part, but what she said about being depressed and him causing it.

She actually said that she went through a terrible time in 2022.

She got stuck in a situation that made her depressed and she stayed because of empathy for someone.

So I'm sure people deduce that it's him, but she went out of her way to leave his name out of it.

Yeah.

Love at first sight, right? That hand on the butt, like, whew,

every time.

I mean, the confidence, right? And he just had all those things that we love, especially when we're young, that je ne sais quoi, that sexy demeanor.

And he was a couple of years older.

He also seemed like the solution to what I've been looking for coming out of a household where my parents argued a lot before they got divorced.

All I wanted was a perfect marriage.

And I thought I could have that with him.

Yeah.

Your kids are like, yeah, I'll follow you, mom.

Yes, exactly.

I just wasn't plugged into any of that.

I've run a successful word of mouth business on the down low for a very long time.

And that worked for me.

So instead of, oh, my God, I have to be what these publishers want me to be or it won't happen.

I was like, I am going to write this from a heart centered place and I'm going to trust that because this mission is pure and important and I care about it, that I will find a way to birth this book.

So talk me through what you're, when you say good girl-itis and how do you, how do you help people through it? Because I know there's a lot of women out there listening right now that are like, oh yeah, I get it.

Yeah, maybe because you're an expert in the hard conversations, like, where is the conflict healthy and where is it no longer healthy? Like, where is that, you know, the, the crossing of that line?

Okay.

Okay.

So I would say that whatever triggers you internally is alway- I mean, it just is what it is, right? You can't help how you feel, you can't help that something has a charge, but you can help what you do with it.

So if someone said something and we lined up 10 people, and I'm trying to think of...

Let me think of an example that might make this, like, more fleshed out.

Okay.

So how do we acknowledge, validate, and apologize when we've hurt somebody's feelings and it wasn't our intention at all?

Mm-hmm.

So it was complicated with my ex's family, who I'm close to, my daughters.

Anyway, it all worked out, but I did all that work with you.

I also worked with-- I had taken acting classes, and I did a round of sessions with my acting teacher just on presentation.

And this is like, this isn't the first time I've done public speaking, but I still put a lot into this is my moment.

I want it to be the best it can be, and I think we do all need help and feedback.

So I felt really good going into it.

Um, if you would give anybody that wants to be a TEDx speaker, just be a speaker in general, one piece of advice, what would it be?