And what did you do there? Were you immediately drawn to wine, agriculture, majoring in surfing? Yeah.

Majoring in surfing, yes.

No, I originally wanted to be a marine biologist, so kind of majoring in surfing a little bit.

But then I realized that I would have to commit to grad school and I wasn't ready to do that.

And so I started working on the Cassis Farm, the Center of Agriculture and Sustainable Food Systems, which is one of the first organic farms in California.

It's on the UCSC campus.

And I realized that like, I just like really loved it.

Yeah, maybe slightly hungover, but that's cool.