talk a bit about some of the challenges now this was kind of i mean you were using the skills that you had but this was a whole new organization did you have like construction skills that maybe would have come in a bit handy as well or talk a bit about

by the time i got down there they were building new homes there in past christian and i didn't know too much about the the construction skills And so as a project director, I needed to know how to build these homes if I'm going to be a leader on a project like this.

So when I came home, then I would work with Habitat for Humanity two days a week.

And I learned my construction skills from foundation all the way up through the house and drywall and all of that.

So I worked Tuesdays and Thursdays every week learning construction skills.

And so as I learned those, and, of course, I was a civil structural engineer.

I knew structures.

Talk a bit about what that was like.