amazing pioneers especially i would argue that agriculture in the states is is even well probably the most industrial in the world in terms of the efficiencies of producing as much food as possible for the cheapest cost of the food but at what cost like what's the bigger cost and so you tend to find pioneers who are extra brave because they're really doing something different um what would have been some of your biggest learnings over your career

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Um, what, what have been some of your biggest learnings over your career?

Yeah.

I think that I would echo a lot of what Ben said, but the, also the willingness, and it, it, it is part connected to what he said, but the willingness of people to share.

Like, when I started out, I had no platform.

Nobody knew who I was.

Nobody...

Ha- had no reason for anybody to say yes.

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