Yeah

...

the law over there.

So that's the level of control, and I think, um, you know, w- with the murders have dropped down, so I think Vincent's right, they're using other means.

Um, and I was speaking to some people at the No to Violence conference, and I sat in on a meeting with that the other day, and a, a, a young female professor had done some research, and we were speaking about this off camera before, around young girls and their ex- young girls', young women's experience-

The pattern

... and this, in this cycle.

And it's quite crazy.

Yeah.

Um, but I can't even understand or fathom now, you know, that that shift that even the police [chuckles] sometimes will question.

And it's easy to sit back and romanticize about, you know, they were good in our days- Mm ... and we were harder or harder.

But now, you know, you think...

I often wonder actually how many police who join have actually been in a physical fight before they actually get in to the police.

Yeah.

But the Aboriginal guy, and he tells this story to me that, you know, and this is again about mandatory AVOs and, and not taking things into consideration.

There's an AVO, Aboriginal, uh, family, and mum works at night.