Um, but it also gives us the opportunity to explore some of the symptoms around those hormonal changes that can, that can result during not just mid-life, but the menopause transition.

Yes, no, absolutely.

And look, we traditionally associate menopause with hot flushes, night sweats, changes in periods, um, but pain is an important factor in that as well.

And so as the menopause transition occurs, we talk more about musculoskeletal pain, so aches and pains around our body.

We can include migraine there.

Um, and so there are symptoms that start in the menopause transition that are associated with pain, but also for women with preexisting chronic pain, um, a lot of the hormone changes, plus other life changes, other health, um, other symptoms of the menopause can make those who already suffer with chronic pain suffer more pain.

It's a really complex area, Deborah, because the...

... experience migraines, but can they get, do they get better or worse during the menopause transition?