yeah and for you is it your journalist background that gives you the passion for your storytelling or how did you end up focusing on that and then using that in the podcast

yeah I think I think it started when I was really young I was like six I think initially I wanted to write books, but what really engaged me is stories.

I love fiction, I love non-fiction, and I think the theme for me all the way through my career was I want to help people share their stories.

But when you work in a busy newsroom, you get to share stories very briefly.

So you get to pull out the main idea, get the hooks, get people's attention, but you don't get... what you get to do on a podcast.

I got the opportunity to work at Five News when I was quite young and we went out and did interviews and, you know, finding Chelsea pensioners that had fallen in love.

I mean, the briefs they give you.

So the times when it wasn't through the perimenopause, also not understanding what was happening was a major thing with me that I knew about perimenopause and I knew elements of you know what I could expect but because I didn't have some of the what I saw is the you know obvious traits of perimonopause then I didn't put what my symptoms were down to it at all and I battled with fatigue and what I call word replacement so I would ask my daughter like you know instead of say pass the spoon I'd say pass the spaghetti and she would be like I had three heads right Yeah,