So let's start with from a policy standpoint, what needs to change to make apprenticeship degrees easier for colleges and for employers to build and scale?

So I would tackle this.

My lens is federal policy.

I was on Capitol Hill for over 10 years and then I did a stint at the Department of Education.

And so I think one of the first things that's needed to sort of I'm a believer in in policy.

policy helping to scale things.

I'm a believer in legislation helping to scale things and federal investment to scale things.

Anything else that's top of mind for you to make the apprenticeship degree a sustainable solution?