Do you have examples of other authors or other writers who were using Substack really effectively that people can go and check out?

Yeah, and I think it depends in what medium you're writing in.

So, you know, thinking about memoir, Clover Stroud would be one of my go-tos to check out.

I worked with Clover when she first came to the platform and it did take her a while to work out what she wanted it to be.

And I think now you'll see she's really found her foot and she's found her voice.

She paywalls really easily.

aggressively and i don't mean that in a negative way at all i just mean like she's very strong with like no no this is my paywall this is where it's going and it works our model works so i think definitely check out clover um anna wharton is great she's um journalist more journalistic in her writing but again she has a big community around white ink which is her substack publication And she'll sort of do bits of teaching on the side.

I'm like, oh, yeah, stop.

Do you think that has affected the work that you do now of wanting to create communities?

Yeah, I think so.

I think...

There's something about what I figured out a few years ago after I had my daughter, I had some therapy because I gave birth to her alone in the pandemic because Dave had COVID.

So there was this period where there was loads of stuff resurfacing for me around like feeling alone.

and not feeling safe.

So I had this beautiful therapy and it really helped me understand why I'd made some of the choices that I made.

So how have you found that as being a pioneer? In the digital space, like how's that felt?