So now I want you to describe how it's being developed.

Yeah.

So the vast majority of land in this part of the country is public land, so it's owned by, in theory, all of us, but it's administered by the federal government.

And it has been sort of in the crosshairs, I would say, of, of what boosters like to call the green energy gold rush.

So it's extremely sunny.

It's a good place for solar development in theory, um, for that reason.

It's also kind of being besieged by other types of energy development like geothermal and mining.

Can you say more about what this was about, this existential crisis?

So now I want you to describe how it's being developed.

Yeah, so the vast majority of land in this part of the country is public land.

So it's owned by, in theory, all of us, but it's administered by the federal government.

And it has been sort of in the crosshairs, I would say, o- of, of what boosters like to call the green energy gold rush.

So it's extremely sunny.

It's a good place for solar development, in theory, um, for that reason.

It's also kind of being besieged by other types of energy development, like geothermal and mining.

Can you say more about what this was about, this existential crisis?

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And I have to get it as, get it good enough so that I can, like, move on to the next sentence.

Um, and, like, for that day.

So I'm futzing a lot, and then eve- inevitably I'll go back and do, like, big, you know, big rewrites where I'm like, "Oh, it turns out that one wasn't good enough," you know? Um, yeah, it, um...

I don't know, I've done it all just sorts of different ways, but the feeling of what I want it to be and what it actually is, like the gap between those, is always a really uncomfortable place to live in.

And, um, I always think it's gonna be forever and, um, you know, I...

You don't know how long it's gonna be like that.

Let's hear you read from Yellow Pine.

like to hear you talk a little bit about that piece of it.

Well, yeah.

I see it as you see it, largely, as in like...

The news is bad, you know, and there was like 40 years of climate denial, like baronially funded by the fossil fuel industry, right, whose own scientists knew the truth of what was going on well before any of the rest of us did.

And then we had this very tiresome crisis.

quote-unquote debate that lasted more or less my lifespan, starting in maybe the 80s, 90s, about global warming and the ozone layer and is climate change happening, is it not, back and forth, more research is needed, blah, blah, blah, the deny, the delay.

Then there, in my memory, is this sort of like peak where it seemed like we were on the other side of that, where there was a dawning consciousness that we need to act and that this is real.

it's worth asking why i think like and look maybe nothing works maybe like human beings maybe homo sapiens just aren't up to this but like i'm like let's give this a shot because we really haven't like does that yeah vibe with you at all