Please do kindly tell everybody who you are and how you got to do what you do, why you're still doing it, and exactly, yes, what it is that you're doing.

So I've been coaching for almost 40 years.

I've known I was a coach for almost 30 years.

And I'm in the privileged position of being at the front of the game of coaching in the UK and then in the world, which has been a really extraordinarily privileged position.

And I think partly because I'd coached before I trained as a coach, and partly because I often go, "Really?" I have become more confident over time to call out the overcomplication of the coaching profession.

So over, I've, I've coached about 15,000 hours, leaders, church leaders, leaders, career-changing people, all sorts of things over the years.

And because people say I can say complicated things simply, I got myself into the world of training manag- to start with managers to use coaching skills at work, and then more recently to do some specialized development, more recently, like the last 15 years, to develop coaches to do less and to have more transformational conversations by doing less.

Okay.

Oh, God, sorry.

No, I think, I think what was interesting was that I really felt I should get some training, because I wasn't trained to do what I was doing because I made it up.

But then I had to go on a coach training program, which, which I gladly did, but it was really odd because I had, had got more experience than some of the people that were training me, and so there was a sense-making thing.

So all along, so Simplifying Coaching was probably born then because I, I remember getting the, the, the handouts, and you had to buy your own files, and they sent you this, they shipped from America, this, I promise you, it was, it was like five reams of paper.

And I had to put them all in folders, and they all came with little separators.

And I mean, honestly, and I'm looking at it and going, "I really get that I need to learn to do this better.

I absolutely, I also need credibility 'cause I need a, a, a training and a qualification that proves that I can do this.

And the reason I'm s- slowing down is that just feels like a really important thing to slow down on, right? How we are impacts how they are.

If we can start by sharing a bit about your journey and your path to publication.

It does that to us sometimes.

I do start with that.

So in my early days, I published a book called How to Make Great Appointments in the Church because I was doing work around appointments.

And somebody said, you should write a book.

Yes, as they do.

So Sue Blanche, who's now my business partner, she and I wrote this book and it was great fun.

It's really good.