Mm.

And I don't know another way of saying it shouldn't hurt, unless I always tell people, unless you work, for example, for WWE, then maybe your work should hurt 'cause you're jumping off of, of, of things.

But ultimately, I think that, you know, when I'm talking about this, I want people to understand that this is both from my professional experience and my lived experience.

I'm a trained mental health practitioner.

I'm a leadership strategist.

I talk to organizations about the intersection of mental health and wellbeing and culture and all of those things.

And it came from my 20 years in healthcare, in behavioral health, in government, in policy, in all the different areas that I worked in, and ultimately, I experienced so much harm in the workplace.

Mm.