But also there was comedy all over this movie.

Yeah.

I mean, the characters that we play by virtue of just them existing are hilarious because they can't.

They can't quite find the right path and they can't quite make a good decision.

So you're sort of watching these people fumbling around, making terrible choices.

And that makes it hilarious to watch because everything they do is wrong, basically.

I have to go, but very quickly, Clare, am I right in thinking there's a huge Irish connection? Are your grandparents Irish?

Oh, yeah.

And Claire, what does it start for you?

Yeah, I mean, I don't think I read.

I know when I read something if it's something that I should or want to do.

Okay.

but I don't necessarily know how to do it.

It's not like I know, oh, I understand that part of myself through that person necessarily.

Sometimes it can be like a really giant leap and I've got to figure out how to combine those two things, which is sort of how I think and who I am with how they think and who they are to try and understand.

said no.

No,

because I do also believe...

That's not the first time someone's said that to me.

But I do think that there's no point being in something unless you're the right person to be in it, because otherwise it's someone else's job.

And I don't think that I should just sandwich myself in...

Richard doesn't sandwich himself in anywhere.

He does all the right things.

So I'm more,

Claire, what books were really important to you when you were a girl, other than Famous Five?

I mean, Are You There, God, It's Me, Margaret was a seminal moment.

And I think I sort of discovered reading through that book.

I feel like it was the first book that I felt like someone had reached inside my head and taken my thoughts and my worries and my concerns and how I saw the world and written it down.

I just sort of couldn't believe it.

And I was always sort of chasing, I think that's the thing with books, is that I'm always chasing the feeling of reading one that you love and discovering one that you love.

And then I went sort of downhill and went on to Goosebumps and Point Horror.

Is there a particular book that you've with your daughter that you've read and you've really kind of you've seen that and you've seen that magic?

What's your showstopper?

I don't have a showstopper.

I find cooking for people who come round, I find I'm very self-conscious.

I mean, my best, best mates I'd make, like, a lasagna or a roast chicken.

Or one year for New Year's I made, like, a big massive pasta 'cause one of my best friends is vegan, so you can do multiple different things.

Um, but none of it's like, "Here's my thing, guys." None of it's a showstopper at all, and I would much rather, like, order sushi and go, "There you go.

I've made no effort.

Okay.

Yeah.

She just has such, um, integrity about the stuff that she makes, and she really does have a passion f- for film and for making films, and I think in the industry sometimes that can be quite rare.

[laughs] And, um, so I was just honored that she even wanted me to read it, and then i- in, on the reading of it, realized that it was a book that meant a lot to someone very close to me.

And therefore, in realizing that, realized it meant a lot to other people.

It was, it was, it was a, sometimes the jobs just choose you and you don't have a choice, you're just doing them, and that was definitely this one.

It w- there was no thinking about should I or shouldn't I? Is it a good career move to do? It was just like, "You're doing it, so get on with it."

Wa- was there a moment reading the book or reading the script for the first time, is there a, a scene in the film that you were really looking forward to doing? And did, is that in a way how things work for you? When you're reading something, you get swept along and you go, "Oh, oh, I could see myself doing that one day." Is that how you think about things or-

No, I don't think about things like that.

Just introduce us to this, to this film and how you got involved with telling this story.

Yeah, so it's a, like, New York Times bestseller memoir by Helen Macdonald.

Um, and it's basically about the loss of their father.

Their father, Alison Macdonald, was a very, very well-respected and, um, well-known, uh, photographer, and, um, he died very suddenly.

And the memoir kind of follows the sort of very non-linear, um, thing that is grief.

Um, and, and through that grief, Helen, um, who was already a falconer, um, decides to train a goshawk, which is, like, the notoriously the most difficult of all the kind of, um, birds of prey, um, to have a relationship with.

Um, and this bird, Mabel, sort of...

Would that be, would that be correct? Almost becoming less, less human, not looking for a way out of the grief, but to actually insulate herself in it.