It's making it happen that's as much the challenge, isn't it?

Yeah, I think there's a couple of things with that.

I think the first is conviction.

I think that...

There was, with that slogan of change, I think people probably projected a lot of what they wanted onto that.

And I think that the ambiguity in that change slogan, it could maybe mean all things to all people.

And I think Andy's learned from that and said, I'm gonna tell you today what I've got pure conviction about, And that's what I'm going for.

A lot of this is England only rather than Wales and Scotland.

If I was in charge, I don't know what I would do because It does not seem like an enviable position to be in to have to run the United Kingdom right now.

Yeah, and I think we're not high spending compared to or high taxing compared to quite a number of other countries in Europe.

But compared to the UK historically and compared to the US...

We are.

And certainly people feel that they are being taxed more and they feel they are not getting better services as a result.

And you can appreciate all the social and economic problems that are coming with that.

And that sort of political disengagement from what is government for? where we've always had a lot of association with the NHS, and we're not as probably a statist, as I say, as parts of Europe, we are certainly like fond of our NHS, we feel that our welfare state is a good thing that helps people from sort of falling through the floor.

And I really feel like this is kind of kind of stolen the breath from the center-left parties that they can no longer differentiate themselves in that way to some extent.