been living up there, hasn't he?

His name was Theodore Coneys.

Now, he was gaunt, he was dishevelled, and he was in really poor health.

He had actually known Thomas and Ethel from the Denver Guitar Club.

but he was homeless at this point in his life and he was struggling to survive.

And Coney's told police that he had first gone to the house to ask for help.

He was hoping to either have some food or some money, but when he got there, nobody was there.

Yeah.

Is this a good idea? Is this going to get us the money that we need to pay the victims?

No, not even remotely.

We've got around about $500 million, give or take, outstanding, and this isn't going to bring in the money to the victims.

It's probably going to bring in maybe some money from fines, but most of your smart criminals now don't have their cards registered in their own names.

This isn't the first time the government has done this, and so if you're going to Do this kind of thing.

Certainly, A, don't advertise it, and B, remember that actually you're not going to capture what you think you're going to capture because smart people don't register their cars and their own names anymore.

What do they do, Claire? What's your idea?

I still think that there's avenues that they can be exploring that are along the lines of electronic checking, you know, getting into their bank accounts and tapping benefits and things like that.

What, what is it about? 'Cause you know, 'cause that's the one thing you need in your life with your schedule is another podcast.

Is something else.

Yeah.

Well, so obviously, we've been doing the Buckleys podcast for a while, and it's basically the complete opposite of that.

I've always sort of loved, you know, true crime and Ghosty stuff-

Hmm.

And it is a big world.

I mean, there's loads of true crime podcasts and stuff, and there's so many great ones.