So, you know, what, what are we missing, Cindy? What's missing from this conversation?

Well, first I wanna say sexuality ed- education, a social education for young people should always include a conversation about consent.

But these kids have been talking about body safety from the time they're three in nursery school all the way through.

I don't think there are many college students who can't recite the affirmative consent standard, but the trick for people is applying it when needed because they are e- either under the influence or of drugs or alcohol, or claiming to be under the influence, managing social and sexual angst and not feeling relevant or adequate.

So using all of that to push boundaries or just trying to socially survive.

So yes, they may understand it when sober on a Tuesday afternoon, but applying it when needed most is so tricky because the need to belong, the need to connect with their peers, to be part of the crew outweighs all of that education.

So we don't need to spray them down with more of it.

Yeah

Do you talk about a place for porn in, in their relationships?

Here, so I have gotten to know a whole team of porn experts, including Gary Wilson.

Don't know him personally, but h- have been studying his work for a long time.

He says that internet porn for a developing brain should be no, use your imagination.

Well, I talk to young kids who are like, "My imagination? I don't have an imagination." I think that taking the break gets your neural pathways back.

And everyone says, "What about feminist porn, respectful porn, all this great porn that's out there?" The thing is, it hacks your dopamine.

Like, it interferes with your ability to get off.

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