Yeah, he has a beautiful high-pitched, like, higher,

like, that beautiful medium-range protagonist voice, but he only gets hired for that, like, really low, grungy, like, category for One Piece stuff, because that's what people know him as, and he's desperately trying to break out of this pigeonhole.

It's like a different version of that for trans actors that it almost hits more intimately, because we are stuck in only playing trans characters.

And then we also slowly, if we're lucky, we get to graduate to who we are.

So I'm breaking into male roles slowly.

Like I'm starting to play more young males who are cis.

Every now and then like a voice comes along that's a really good match for me and a director will think of me.

So what is it that trans actors will understand better than the general acting group?

one was it? It was Requiem

of the Rose King.

So I don't know if any of y'all ever watched it.

It was like Shakespeare's Henry VI Part III and Richard III kind of combined, but it was made super queer.

And Richard, instead of, you know, his physical deformity in this is that he's intersex.

And as he ages, he's starting to age a little bit more effeminately than he would like to as a dude.

But he's not non-binary.

been like, oh God, don't get me started.

So how did you, how did you get, how did you yourself get those tools to like push, keep pushing forward in your career then?

Oh, by fucking up like consistently.

Yeah.

um and you know sometimes for better and sometimes for worse like you know um I've screwed you know screwed my way up a few times like just falling ass backwards into things and learning from my mistakes um I think it's ah there's a writer there's a writer called Milo Winter he's another trans dude And he recently, within the last year or two, released, didn't release, but released a book and it didn't go well.

And, you know, he really rode his own hype.

And I feel like a lot more people have a lot more sympathy for you when you fuck up.

If you're less arrogant about it, you rub it in people's face less.

as someone who's been doing conventions for God,