I mean, what originally got you interested in the world of anabolic steroids? Like, did it just hit you one day? Was it something maybe you were interested in doing? If you could kind of discuss with the audience what led you down this path, because frankly, there's not a whole lot of people that are researching this, they're looking at this, that are even educating on this.

I figured you would ask that question.

And I clearly remember this.

I was talking with a couple of athletes.

It's when I was on the faculty of the College of Medicine at the University of Iowa.

And they said, Chuck, What is anabolic steroids? And now this was, I want to get this right, 75, 76, somewhere in that area, maybe 78.

And, you know, they asked me, what are they? And I told them I knew what, you know, I said they're synthetic derivatives of the primary male sex hormone testosterone.

But is there a misconception about your work or, you know, part of the anti-doping movement that you would want to address to the public? You know, something, you know, that that that comes to mind?