So what drew you to this line of work?

Well, I was lucky.

And my first job was with a, a relatively...

It was a mid, mid-sized firm at that time.

It had 20 lawyers.

That would be a small firm today.

And I was working directly with one of the senior partners, and this firm was actually very similar to the firm, our firm now, Levin Goodman and Cone, where it represented, again, some wealthy people, represented small business, represented, uh, did a lot of estate planning.

Can you please tell us what a tax planning forum is for the ones who don't know what it is? And also tell us, uh, how did you come up with the idea? How did, how did, how did it even start?