Um, can you think of anything, for anybody who's not familiar with that article, with, with that investigative piece that you guys did, can you think of anything that would... piece of information, names, something like that that would be in the article that would cause some type of stir within the CIA that would cause them now, all this time later, to call them up and say, "We need this down now," even though it's been out there for a while?

Uh, not really, no. Um, I, I think we named, um...

Like Office of Global Access was out there already, you know.

It was open source information that ex- has existed.

Um, and I suppose what we did was, um, you know, we tried to really get to the bottom behind the composition of a retrieval program.

And, um, so we put it all together in terms of, you know, your, your, um, your, your elite kind of like military special forces teams working together with, you know, um, DOE components and, uh, which would be NEST, and then, um, you know, the, the CIA as well, and how that's all kind of like put together via the Directorate of Science and Technology at the time, and the Office of Global Access.

Um, so we kind of like put that all together, I, I suppose.

They're paranoid"? What do you say to all those things?

So where does your, since you've written all these articles all this time, where does your interest, how did your interest start in the topic itself?

Yeah, sure.

I think if we're going to go way back, you know, when I was a child and at primary school and they asked me to write a story, a creative story, it would always involve aliens and stuff.

And I guess I was always into that.

And I really used to enjoy watching the documentaries on TV with people like Georgian.

And yeah, it just really captured my imagination.

But I guess when I started getting into secondary school and university, it kind of like withered away that interested.

How could that be? You know, I mean, what are your thoughts? How would you answer that question?