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Christopher Sandbatch

Writer, translator, and digital humanities researcher behind the Ecologica Americana Substack and panelist on the Old Glory Club and Pete Quiñones podcasts.

Oct 15, 2026

CapitalisimoGUEST
11:02
Right
11:02
... things which is, I mean, it's fascinating.
11:05
We lose context of this because academics today are so universally kinda dumpy, um, that...
11:14
And we also lose, really lose track of how decidedly conservative and Christian and to the right this country has moved, uh, and really moved between 1970 and, like, 1980, okay? And we forget sometimes that, can the...
11:33
Like, like go on the Lawrence Welk Show, and you will find people just casually discussing the most batshit barbaric, like, like, like concept.
11:43
So, like, not only, he's really interesting in that he didn't, not only did he not hide at all, he was on television all the time, okay? And, [laughs] so, like it-

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CapitalisimoGUEST
21:42
[laughs]
21:42
... really, like, you know, sort of really influential.
CapitalisimoGUEST
3:39
[laughs] On what happens to them.
3:40
It was incredible how well it worked.
3:42
Like, to me, I'm just, like, sitting in the b- I'm just, like, sitting up here.
3:45
First of all, that was the first time I've ever spoken at one of these things, and I was...
3:50
It's the first time I've done anything on stage in, I've done poetry readings, that sort of thing.
3:55
First time I've done anything on stage in almost 15 years, and it went just how everything else in my life goes.
4:03
I black out and focus on the mission, like I was taught, you know.

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CapitalisimoGUEST
23:44
Uh, you know, I, I, do you wanna g- do you, Sam, do you wanna go back to the Grateful Dead and Steely Dan?
116:31
Yeah.
116:31
Like, like one of the, like, really interesting things about 1968 is if, and I'll probably sprinkle this in as it comes along.
116:38
We actually have indication of Lutvac coming from, what is it? Like, a right-wing perspective.
116:43
This is an undeniably right-wing perspective.
116:45
But not as, like, like decidedly right-wing as contemporary political, like, analysis is gonna be.
116:52
But he's actually showing the early stages of a t- he's actually showing, like, like incredible literacy with the contemporary historical leadership, uh, literatures coming out of Ger- specifically Germany at the time.
117:05
And if we, like, if you even take the setup here.

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Thomas777GUEST
165:50
Or Japan.
121:45
Yeah.
121:45
And it's like, like, one of the, like, really interesting things about 1968 is if, and I'll probably sprinkle this in as it comes along, we actually have indication of Lutvac coming from what is a, like, a right-wing perspective.
121:57
This is an undeniably right-wing perspective, but not as, like, like, decidedly right-wing as contemporary political, like, analysis is gonna be.
122:06
But he's actually showing the early stages of a t- he's actually showing, like, like, incredible literacy with the contemporary historical leadership, uh, literatures coming out of Ger- specifically Germany at the time.
122:20
And if we, like, if you even take the setup here.
122:22
So what is the con- this is, he's setting up the conceptual framework of a coup.
122:27
He says, like, "These are the thing..." You know, if you imagine, like, coup as, like, a bubble.

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172:35
Or Japan
46:03
And
46:04
this is the real, the, the two, the game situation he's setting up here for us is he's given us a classical setup.
46:14
Okay, this is like, you know, imagine the chess game.
46:16
He's describing a chess game for us.
46:18
According to all previous, and at the time, according to all previous, previous classical formula, you know, formulations of politics, you have enough information right here to determine whether or not you should do a coup.
46:36
Okay.
46:37
And so he's, and for the purposes of opening of his like opening barrage in this chapter, he's chosen to set out two separate instances of this like terribly classical, again, like I used the phrase quadrumber for a reason.

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181:17
neo-canon if he's a neo-canon a zionist then yeah
48:12
Even the forces loyal to de Gaulle's government did nothing to actively oppose the coup.
48:18
All right, so, like, let's talk about what happened here real quick.
48:21
So, like, what he's done here, so this is Luttwak, he's setting up the game conditions that he's gonna be playing around with for the rest of this chapter.
48:29
'Cause he's talking about, this is the point in the flowchart, and it's kind of jokey.
48:33
He's trolling you a little bit that it comes so late in the actual, and so late in the actual book.
48:39
You would think maybe the chapter where it says, "So do you s- do you need to plan a coup?" is maybe the first chapter.
48:45
But no, it's the fourth one here.

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188:36
Yeah.
45:30
Even the forces loyal to de Gaulle's government did nothing to actively oppose the coup.
45:36
All right, so like let's talk about what happened here real quick.
45:38
So like what he's done here, so this is Lutwak, he's setting up the game conditions that he's gonna be playing around with for the rest of this chapter.
45:46
He's talking about, this is the point in the flowchart, and it's kind of jokey.
45:51
He's trolling you a little bit that it comes so late in the actual, and so late in the actual book.
45:56
You would think maybe the chapter where it says, "So do you s- do you need to plan a coup?" is maybe the first chapter, but no, it's the fourth one here.
46:03
And this is the real, the sit- the, the two, the game situation he's setting up here for us is he's giving us a classical setup, okay? This is like, you know, imagine the chess game.

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181:21
Yeah.
116:31
Yeah.
116:31
And it's like, like one of the like really interesting things about 1968 is if...
116:35
And I'll probably sprinkle this in as it comes along.
116:38
We actually have indication of Lutvac coming from, what is it? Like a right-wing perspective.
116:43
This is an undeniably right-wing perspective, but not as like, like decidedly right-wing as contemporary political like analysis is gonna be.
116:52
But he's actually showing the early stages of a t- he's actually showing like, like incredible literacy with the contemporary historical leadership, uh, literatures coming out of Ger- specifically Germany at the time.
117:05
And if we, like, if you even take the setup here.

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165:50
Or Japan.
118:31
Yeah.
118:31
And it's like, like, one of the, like, really interesting things about 1968 is if, and I'll probably sprinkle this in as it comes along, we actually have indication of Lutvac coming from what is, like, a right-wing perspective.
118:43
This is an undeniably right-wing perspective, but not as, like, like, decidedly right-wing as contemporary political, like, analysis is gonna be.
118:52
But he's actually showing the early stages of a ti- He's actually showing, like, like, incredible literacy with the contemporary historical leadership, uh, literatures coming out of Ger- specifically Germany at the time.
119:06
And if we, like, if we even take the setup here.
119:08
So what is the con- This is, he's setting up the conceptual framework of a coup.
119:13
He says, like, these are the thing...

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167:50
Or Japan.
47:46
Even the forces loyal to the goals government did nothing to actively oppose the coup.
47:51
All right.
47:53
So like, let's talk about what happened here real quick.
47:55
So like what he's done here, so this is Lutfak.
47:57
He's setting up the game conditions.
48:00
that he's going to be playing around with for the rest of this chapter.
48:03
He's talking about, this is the point in the flow chart, and it's kind of jokey.

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187:06
If he's a neo-con and a Zionist, then yeah.
49:49
Even the forces loyal to de Gaulle's government did nothing to actively oppose the coup.
49:55
All right, so let's talk about what happened here real quick.
49:58
So what he's done here, so this is Lutfak.
50:01
He's setting up the game conditions that he's going to be playing around with for the rest of this chapter.
50:06
He's talking about, this is the point in the flowchart.
50:09
It's kind of jokey.
50:10
He's trolling you a little bit that it comes so late in the actual book.

2 HRS 15 MINS LATER

185:38
If he's a neo-con and a Zionist, then yeah.
116:31
Yeah.
116:31
And it's like, like, one of the, like, really interesting things about 1968 is if, and I'll probably sprinkle this in as it comes along.
116:38
We actually have indication of Lukács coming from, what is it? Like, a right-wing perspective.
116:43
This is an undeniably right-wing perspective, but not as, like, like, decidedly right-wing as contemporary political, like, analysis is gonna be.
116:52
But he's actually showing the early stages of a t- he's actually showing, like, like, incredible literacy with the contemporary historical leadership, uh, literatures coming out of Ger- specifically Germany at the time.
117:05
And if we, like, if you even take the setup here.
117:08
So what is the con- this is, he's setting up the conceptual framework of a coup.

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165:50
Or Japan.
120:08
So yeah, the, um, many of the issues about travel remain, but, uh, the ability to actually communicate, you know, outside of your, you know, your local physical environment is not quite as bad as it used to be.
120:22
Well, you know, okay, look now, because I was, you know, thinking about this and I was like, wow, this is remarkably prescient.
120:29
And I, you know, I think you're right.
120:31
I think this is one, I would like to point out this text is originally from like 1968 or something like that.
120:36
Okay.
120:37
Like one of the like really interesting things about 1968 is, and I'll probably sprinkle this in as it comes along.
120:44
We actually have indication of Luitpold coming from what is like a right-wing perspective.

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171:27
Or Japan
47:31
Even the forces loyal to de Gaulle's government did nothing to actively oppose the coup.
47:37
All right, so, like, let's talk about what happened here real quick.
47:40
So, like, what he's done here, so this is Lutfak, he's setting up the game conditions that he's going to be playing around with for the rest of this chapter.
47:48
He's talking about, this is the point in the flowchart, and it's kind of jokey.
47:52
He's trolling you a little bit that it comes so late in the actual, and so late in the actual book.
47:57
You would think maybe the chapter where it says, so do you need to plan a coup is maybe the first chapter, but no, it's the fourth one here.
48:05
And this is the real...

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187:52
if he's a neo-con and a zionist then yeah
CapitalisimoGUEST
6:40
... on, [laughs] on what happens.
6:40
It was incredible how well it worked.
6:42
Like, to me, I'm just, like, sitting in the b- I'm just, like, sitting up here.
6:46
First of all, that was the first time I've ever spoken at one of these things, and I was...
6:51
It's the first time I've done anything on stage, and I've done poetry readings, that sort of thing.
6:55
First time I've done anything on stage in almost 15 years, and it went just how everything else in my life goes.
7:03
I black out and focus on the mission like I was taught, you know? And, um, but I was surprised 'cause I was sitting up there and I was like, "Wow, we asked, like, the three most obvious people in the world the mo- and gave, seated them with the most obvious shit imaginable, and still it worked.

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CapitalisimoGUEST
30:36
[laughs]
CapitalisimoGUEST
12:24
could say
12:25
he was a major doctor.
12:26
But you know what? This is one of these things which is fascinating.
12:33
We lose context of this because academics today are so universally kind of dumpy.
12:41
And we also really lose track of how decidedly conservative and Christian and to the right this country has moved, really moved between 1970 and like 1980, okay? And we forget sometimes that can the flick like go on the lawrence welk show and you will find people just casually discussing the most bat shit barbaric like like like concept so like not only he's really interesting in that he didn't now i did not hide at all he was on television all the time okay and look at right he was like he was a he's a person that people who thought of themselves as like You know, the kind of shit lib rich person that subscribes to the Harvard Review of Medicine or some nature magazine or something like that.
13:44
This is somebody that they would have been aware of.

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CapitalisimoGUEST
22:23
Uh, you know, I, I, do you want to, do you want to go back to the Grateful Dead and Steely Dan?
22:29
I mean, I'm not gonna go back to the, because the Grateful Dead and Steely Dan are really, in the textbook, they're a special case of very self-aware, self-referential.
124:24
Yeah.
124:24
And it's like, like, one of the, like, really interesting things about 1968 is if...
124:29
And I'll probably sprinkle this in as it comes along.
124:32
We actually have indication of Lutvac coming from what is, like, a right-wing perspective.
124:36
This is an undeniably right-wing perspective, but not as, like, like, decidedly right-wing as contemporary political, like, analysis is gonna be.
124:45
But he's actually showing the early stages of a t- he's actually showing, like, like, incredible literacy with the contemporary historical leadership, uh, literatures coming out of Ger- specifically Germany at the time.
124:59
And if we, like, if you even take the setup here.

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176:37
Or Japan.
116:31
Yeah.
116:31
And it's like, like, one of the, like, really interesting things about 1968 is if, and I'll probably sprinkle this in as it comes along.
116:38
We actually have indication of Lutvac coming from, what is it? Like, a right-wing perspective.
116:43
This is an undeniably right-wing perspective, but not as, like, like, decidedly right-wing as contemporary political, like, analysis is gonna be.
116:52
But he's actually showing the early stages of a t- he's actually showing, like, like, incredible literacy with the contemporary historical leadership, uh, literatures coming out of Ger- specifically Germany at the time.
117:05
And if we, like, if you even take the setup here, so what is the con- this is, he's setting up the conceptual framework of a coup.
117:13
He says, like, "These are the thing..." You know, if you imagine, like, coup as, like, a bubble.

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165:50
Or Japan
45:30
Even the forces loyal to de Gaulle's government did nothing to actively oppose the coup.
45:36
All right, so like let's talk about what happened here real quick.
45:38
So like what he's done here, so this is Lutwak, he's setting up the game conditions that he's gonna be playing around with for the rest of this chapter, because he's talking about...
45:48
This is the point in the flowchart, and it's kind of jokey.
45:51
He's trolling you a little bit that it comes so late in the actual, and so late in the actual book.
45:56
You would think maybe the chapter where it says, "So do you s- do you need to plan a coup?" is maybe the first chapter, but no, it's the fourth one here.
46:03
And this is the real, the sit- the, the two, the game situation he's setting up here for us is he's giving us a classical setup, okay? This is like, you know, imagine the chess game.

2 HRS 15 MINS LATER

181:21
Yeah.
46:03
And
46:04
this is the real, the, the two, the game situation he's setting up here for us is he's given us a classical setup.
46:14
Okay, this is like, you know, imagine the chess game.
46:16
He's describing a chess game for us.
46:18
According to all previous, and at the time, according to all previous, previous classical formula, you know, formulations of politics, you have enough information right here to determine whether or not you should do a coup.
46:36
Okay.
46:37
And so he's, and for the purposes of opening of his like opening barrage in this chapter, he's chosen to set out two separate instances of this like terribly classical, again, like I used the phrase quadrumber for a reason.

2 HRS 14 MINS LATER

181:17
neo-canon if he's a neo-canon a zionist then yeah
4:21
It's such a wonderful coincidence.
4:25
So for context, we had our conference.
4:30
A lot of us were all in one place over the weekend or whatever.
4:33
My luck is I get my flight out is at 8.15 p.m. and everybody's But I rode with Charlie to the airport, and he had to be there at noon or some shit like that, which led to me sitting in the Nashville airport for nine hours.
4:55
Over the course of that nine hours, literally when we were pulling up, we were walking up, and I was like, Charlie kept making fun of me, because we just walked past Sandbatch 10 after Sandbatch 10, and I was like, this is like the Grateful Dead are playing or something.
5:10
and like eventually it came out like bonnaroo ended and like every every bonnaroo in the entire world was going through the nashville airport so i had to sit there and watch it all

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18:04
so i walked downstairs and see everybody crowded around the tv as one of these ufc guys i guess beat the shit out of a canadian or something and then was like yeah usa let's go and it was like okay i'm just gonna grab my madeira and i'm gonna go back upstairs and smoke my cigar you guys have fun man
18:23
of course it was like oh look here's here's my thing on the chuds here's my thing on the chuds i don't blame the chuds but you know like ideally i'm not a class i'm not a i'm not a class analysis guy okay i think they're and i think what all of the anti-chud guys are really on to is that There's not really a top layer of events for this 250th anniversary, you know what I mean? There's nothing to appease the non-Chuds.
48:04
Even the forces loyal to the goals government did nothing to actively oppose the coup.
48:09
All right.
48:10
So like, let's talk about what happened here real quick.
48:13
So like what he's done here, so this is Lutfak.
48:15
He's setting up the game conditions.
48:18
that he's gonna be playing around with for the rest of this chapter.
48:21
He's talking about, this is the point in the flow chart, and it's kind of jokey.

2 HRS 15 MINS LATER

183:52
If he's a neo-con and a Zionist, then yeah.
121:52
Yeah.
121:52
And it's like, like, one of the, like, really interesting things about 1968 is if, and I'll probably sprinkle this in as it comes along, we actually have indication of Lutvak coming from what is, like, a right-wing perspective.
122:04
This is an undeniably right-wing perspective.
122:06
But not as, like, like, decidedly right-wing as contemporary political, like, analysis is gonna be.
122:13
But he's actually showing the early stages of a t- he's actually showing, like, like, incredible literacy with the contemporary historical literacy, uh, literatures coming out of Ger- specifically Germany at the time.
122:27
And if we, like, if we even take the setup here.
122:29
So what is the cons- this is, he's setting up the conceptual framework of a coup.

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172:42
Or Japan
50:21
Even the forces loyal to de Gaulle's government did nothing to actively oppose the coup.
50:27
All right, so, like, let's talk about what happened here real quick.
50:29
So, like, what he's done here, so this is Lutwak.
50:32
He's setting up the game conditions that he's gonna be playing around with for the rest of this chapter, 'cause he's talking about...
50:39
This is the point in the flowchart, and it's kind of jokey.
50:42
He's trolling you a little bit that it comes so late in the actual, and so late in the actual book.
50:47
You would think maybe the chapter where it says, "So do you s- do you need to plan a coup?" is maybe the first chapter, but no, it's the fourth one here.

2 HRS 24 MINS LATER

195:18
Yeah.
131:41
Yeah.
131:42
And it's like, like one of the like really interesting things about 1968 is, and I'll probably sprinkle this in as it comes along, we actually have indication of Lutvac coming from what is like a right-wing perspective.
131:53
This is an undeniably right-wing perspective, but not as like, like decidedly right-wing as contemporary political like analysis is gonna be.
132:03
But he's actually showing the early stages of a ty- he's actually showing like, like incredible literacy with the contemporary historical leadership, uh, literatures coming out of Ger- specifically Germany at the time.
132:16
And if we, like if we even take the setup here.
132:19
So what is the con- this is, he's setting up the conceptual framework of a coup.
132:24
He says like, "These are the thing," you know, if you imagine like coup as like a bubble.

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187:13
Or Japan.

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