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Um, [laughs] but, but he was an amazing influence on, on the sound that I get, and also just as a soloist, the kind of musical expressions that I add, and the kind of phrasing and shaping to my lines.

Um, so I think he really elevated my playing to the next level in, in that regard.

Some other big teachers that I've studied with that I still refer to in lessons almost every day, I took one lesson with Karen Donnelly.

Amazing player, amazing teacher.

She's given, given...

She gave me, in one lesson, so many tools that I have still used and still use in all my teaching, which is just so helpful.

And in, in terms of, uh, you know, choosing schools for doctorate, are you looking at the, the trumpet professor? Are you looking at the program as a whole? The esteem of the, the school itself? I mean, what matters most do you think?