Is there a model for that? Is there a path to doing this in a way that is productive, that doesn't lead down the space of beating yourself up? Like, what does that actually look like in a day to day?

Yeah, so it goes back to what we were saying before about the environment.

So you get to, to a certain extent, choose your environment and choose the people you get to surround yourself in.

And even if you don't have like real people in your life, there's ways to supplement that with the content that you consume.

And so something I call like the awareness sponsorship ladder.

So you think about like the higher you are on this ladder, kind of the faster you maybe go along your path and the more guidance you'll have essentially.

So it starts with awareness, like you can't do something you don't know about, and then representation.

What's that journey been like for you?

Do you think it was different for you because you've been there to see Artemis, or wha- what was it like for you, Chuey?

You know, I think it's, it's relatable, but it's also just so different.

Like, being 50, 60 miles up is nothing compared to being 250,000 miles up, and the pictures that were coming back in the video were just incredible.

And I think, like, The Overview Effect is about putting things into perspective.

And yes, when you go to low Earth orbit, you really are low in Earth's orbit, and you can see the Earth, and you get appreciation for where we are in, in context of, like, um, she said, you know, there's no, you can't see the borders unless it's, like, a river, like the Nile.

But, like, the further out you get, the less you start to find ways to organize and divide.

You just see cohesive, one unified planet.

Mm-hmm