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Uh, I, I studied business and law at, at university and was all set to become a lawyer and had accepted a job with a, with a law firm and had also got them to agree that I could travel, basically like a gap year, for about nine months before, before starting working for them.

And, and then in the course of that...

Well, actually, that, I, I agreed to work with them just at the start of my final year of university, and then in that final year, I won a scholarship from one of the British investment banks, and that ended up in me, while I was traveling, uh, having some interviews with the bank and ultimately getting a job with them and thinking, "Well, if I don't take it, I'll probably always regret it." And so, yeah, uh, let's, let's give it a shot at London.

As a, you know, someone in their early 20s, it was a very exciting place to be and, and so I thought, "Yeah, I'd love to spend some time here." And in that stint, I did end up spending six years, uh, working in London, and in that sixth year, I took a trip to South Africa.

And on that trip, in addition to going on safari and exploring the wonders of the Garden Route and, and the Winelands and Cape Town, I also helped to build a house for a family in one of the townships, and this just added two dimension, two extra dimensions to traveling for me.

Uh, one, in, in contrast to that nine months of travel that I'd done previously and some other trips, on, uh, on this occasion, I actually got to interact with the local people and hear their stories and gain insights into their lives.

Mm-hmm.