Do you think those were prescient examples or are we just living in a time where truly nothing is new?

I mean, I think they would say the same thing, but it's more...

But I'd actually be more interested to hear them make a case for, like, what is going on now that's different from them, and, like, why does it deserve a term? Because once they start talking about protocol art, they say, well, you know, everything, everything fits under protocol art, really.

Running a magazine is... could be a protocol.

Doing this roundtable is a protocol.

And of course, this is going back decades.

People have been doing these systems and these rule sets.

And I wonder if the reduction of all relations to market relations is generalizable when we talk about what's happening to fantasy or desire in view of the changing image.