I want to turn that right to Chris because he's still with us, so I guess we're doing okay, but I know it wasn't easy for sure.

Yeah, I mean, a lot of the involvement of the parties that you just mentioned honestly happened quite earlier than my involvement and our office's involvement in the process.

So I'll probably throw that back to Sandy and Emily to chime in a little bit more there, but the Technology Commercialization Services Office at UConn got involved, as I alluded to a little later in the project, but you know, it was a really interesting opportunity for me to take a look at, you know, this really interesting toolkit to address a really important problem in a space that I think a lot of tech transfer offices don't typically deal in, right? A lot of tech transfer offices focus in, um, what you might describe as STEM technologies, patentable technologies.

And I think this space around copyright innovation, social innovations is actually, there's a great opportunity to both, you know, impact the greater public and make a real impact, but also there may be commercial opportunities involved there.

And, you know, getting involved late in the project, one thing that, you know, I worked a lot with Sandy and Emily on was the IP implications of the various assets that they had developed, the puppets,

And I want to ask the two of you as a podcast comes to a close, for our listeners who are tech transfer professionals, what's one takeaway you want them to carry from your story? Something that might change the way that they look at their next interdisciplinary, creative, or maybe hard to categorize project that crosses their desk.

Maybe I'll chime in here from a tech transfer side.

You know, I'm a life science licensing director here at UConn.