So I would love for you to tell me about a time in your parenting when you wrestled with this protection versus overprotection.

Well, I think this is the wrestling of all of motherhood, especially, I mean, when I talk about it, I'm speaking of it from a mom of teenagers slash college students slash grown adult boys.

So I didn't say, I don't know if I said I have three boys.

Yeah.

But so when I think I just want to disclaimer that a lot of what I probably will share is not going to be applicable to someone who has a toddler.

When you're a mom of a toddler, that is your job is to protect your children, to keep them safe, to keep them secure.

We're not going to let them go out and, you know.

Well, I mean, you've kind of answered this in some ways, but based on those two experiences and whatever else kind of comes to your mind when you think about protection versus getting involved versus not getting involved, what would you say you've learned about yourself, your kids or God or all three through when you put this filter over your motherhood? Like, what do you learn? What's the biggest lesson do you think? Hmm.