So I'm really interested in talking about carbohydrates because carbohydrates have had quite a bad rap, haven't they? In terms of, you know, people saying I'm no carbs or I can only eat carbs if I'm exercising, right? Can you explain what actually happens

inside the body when we eat carbohydrates? So, and you're absolutely right.

I think, you know, there is a balance here to be had.

And, you know, when we're talking about carbohydrates and sugar, I don't want people to get fearful of them at all.

And, you know, when we're talking about carbohydrates, we're also talking about fruit and vegetables, of course, as well.

So we're not just talking about, you know, your loaf of white bread.

Exactly.

And the

Yeah,

I think before that it's probably worth also mentioning that when people think about metabolic health and insulin resistance, they're often also then talking about weight gain.

but I would also change that focus a little bit to where is that weight gain or where is that fat stored because even when total body weight remains relatively stable what you find is post-menopausal women will tend to carry more proportionally visceral fat abdominal fat And I think there was one study that found postmenopausal women had 49% more intra-abdominal fat than premenopausal women, even after adjusting for age and body weight generally.

And the reason I'm mentioning that is that fat, the visceral fat, has greater metabolic consequences longer term as well.

You know, it can be inflammatory, for example.

So we can talk more about that, but don't get just fixated about your weight and the scale.

Think about where is that fat being distributed.

yeah.

So what are your members telling you or trying to tell the Northern Ireland government that they want to see happen?

Well, basically, at the start, people were sort of saying, you know, could they not just behave themselves? There was a thing called the Memorandum of Understanding, and it was signed by the Ulster Farmers Union, which I've actually been in touch with them quite a lot.

And they're, how would I phrase it? They're becoming more supportive now.

they're beginning to see the bigger picture and they're beginning to see the real picture of what the circumstances are.

They signed a memorandum of understanding with the Northern Ireland Master of the Hounds Association, which is Mr Bill Montgomery, and with Countryside Alliance Ireland, which is represented by Mr Gary McCartney.

Now, if you read the memorandum of understanding and if the memorandum of understanding was adhered to, There wouldn't be a problem.

Sorry, that's my phone.

So he was trying to confuse you and lie about who he