And what turned out to be, he was both.

I mean, listen, work ethic.

It's not that he was second to none.

You know, he was light years ahead of people.

And of course, you find that with successful artists.

That goes with the territory.

It's not a surprise.

Unbelievable.

So I said, OK.

We were both in London records with Pete.

So he was there doing a show on a Friday night and we were obviously trying to get him to play our records and that kind of thing, but also listening to his show.

So I think Pete played Cardinal the Hustle.

We later that night went out for this meal, Italian restaurant, and their other partner came with, Biggs, and he came to London with them as well, if I recollect, and was one of the most... unbelievably warm charming gentleman I've ever met in my life we signed it because you know we loved the record we're opportunists who saw a record climbing the chart in America with two brilliant songs and couldn't believe no one had licensed

it We definitely thought there was a catch.

It didn't seem to make sense that us two young guys from North London were, you know, we flew over to New York.

We hung out with Jay and Damon for the weekend, watched the World Series.