What drives you forward to, to, uh, pursue so strongly down this path?

I think it's genuine curiosity.

It's curiosity.

I mean, I have no particular talent.

I am just curious.

I...

And I, um, I'm very-- I think I'm very, I'm very close to patients because when I was very-- I started my orthopedic career as an orthopedic patient.

Mm-hmm