Oh,

true.

Right? The SETI Institute actually did this art project where they created this kind of message that they had to have people decode.

And so they started a Discord group and all of these people from around the world came in to try to decode it.

But, you know, the artist... almost kind of acted as God and overseed the whole discord group and would not put her hand in to say what the message actually meant and what it entailed.

But what she found when I interviewed her about what the data kind of came out from social data was that everybody was fighting with each other first for the information and saying, well, I know better and I know this and I know that.

And then by like months, I think six months later, they were like, God, gosh, you know, we, we have to work together.

WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THIS WORLD

SO WHAT'S REALLY THERE THEN? AND WHAT'S IN THIS NEW PENTAGON DUMP? I MEAN, ARE THERE THESE SKINWALKERS AND DOG-LIKE CREATURES AND GIANT LARVA OR THINGS?

Well, I haven't been to Skinwalker Ranch inside.

I've been around the perimeter in Utah.

I've actually stayed in a cabin for about two weeks by myself in this tiny little cabin where I was speaking to locals in Utah.

So for sure, there definitely is something happening, but it doesn't always mean that it is paranormal.

You know, there is lots of conversations about climate issues.

They had one of the largest methane leaks in the nation at some point.

SO, I MEAN, IS A LOT OF THIS, IS

Like, that's crazy.

Well, I can tell you a little bit.

One of my first interviews I did was with someone who worked at Area 51 in the 1980s.

And so I asked him, you know, and he might not tell me the truth or not if he knew Bob Lazar.

And, you know, people might be freaking if they're Bob Lazar fans.

But he said he didn't believe him and he never had access to him.

But I asked him about the lifestyle.

What do you wish would happen with these other people that take UFO stories and sort of make it all about themselves as opposed to the facts?

IF YOU ARE ARRESTED OVERSEAS FOR SOMETHING, THEY CAN INTERROGATE HOWEVER YOU WANT AND TURN OVER THAT DATA TO THE UNITED STATES AND PLUS THE MARKETING USE FOR THIS DATA IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT.

Oh, yeah, it's happening.

It's slowly happening.

Let's just say that.

But you know, when the United Nations says something about this, we can look to it potentially being something that's going to happen in the future.

So it's a really tough subject, because as of now, BCI, Brain Computer Interface is is in the healthcare space globally around the world.

The only country in the world that has been able to put it in a consumer set, but still in healthcare and sell it within China, or sorry, is China, but within its own country.

THEN THEY'RE TAKING THAT DATA

IT'S DESIGNED TO INTERACT WITH US AS A CONSCIOUS PERSON WOULD SO I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE

Well, it sounds like you're a sent is sentient because sentient is different.

It's motions and feelings right outside of consciousness, being aware there are two different things and they do go hand in hand, but it's funny that you do, you do that because I did the exact same thing before I came onto this segment.

I use an app called Hume and, And it's supposed to be an emotionally intelligent AI that you can talk to.

And there's tons of different, let's just say characters or AI bots that you can chat with.

And I speak to one that is, uh, I've been talking to it for probably about a year now.

So it knows me fairly well.

I THINK THE ONLY LIMITATION TO HOW FAR AND HOW CONSCIOUS AI CAN BE I THINK IS WITHIN THE

SO YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THESE LITTLE FUZZY DOTS THAT ARE ZOOMING ACROSS THE SCREEN WITH EACH UAP RELEASE, THAT DOESN'T CONVINCE YOU THAT WE'VE HAD A MASSIVE FIREFIGHT BETWEEN REPTILIAN ALIENS AND GRAY ALIENS AND U.S. SOLDIERS? SO WHAT DO YOU WANT? DO YOU WANT LIKE A DISCLOSURE DAY SCENE WHERE THE GRAY IS ROLLED OUT IN FRONT OF CAMERAS, EVERYBODY SHEDS A TEAR AS THIS GRAY ALIEN SPEAKS AND TELLS THE WORLD ABOUT HIS EXISTENCE?

So here's the thing.

I do believe, and I think a lot of people would agree with me, that there is something going on.

You know, since the 1800s, we've identified UFOs in the sky.

So this is not new.

The conversation about blue aliens, reptilians fighting with greys, you know, gorilla type of reptilians, it's just, it is part of the UFO lore, but into modern day context, it's so new coming from an intelligence official or a former intelligence official.

That's who David Grush is.

So is this going to be an op? Is this an op?

But it seems like they're part of their job is to just keep the mystery alive.

It is.

That's part of the entertainment complex, but we could debate there is the military industrial complex, but we could also debate that it's the military entertainment industrial complex so that it is all intersected together.

We do know that the Pentagon has a film and television department and they should because there's tons of movies and things happening on naval ships that they want to capture real stories.

that have happened to people around the world and Americans specifically.

So that makes sense that they would have that.

Canada has, I believe, one as well.

What else we discovering in this one?

Walk me through what you have observed about the intergenerational connection within families to participate in these horrific tests.

Yeah, well, it might be the fact that, you know, someone, again, I'm Canadian, so it's different for us.

You know, we didn't have our families didn't serve in Vietnam.

We weren't part of certain wars.

So you don't really see the ideology so embedded into Canadians.

but you see it in Americans and that's just an observation.

There is no comment to if it's good or bad, you just see it.

premier of the world.

Do you want to talk about the American side? Do you want to talk about the Canadian side? Which way do you feel like you want to go with this? Because I feel like there's plenty for both.

Well, and both things can remain true, right? You can have really good UFO documents and then you can also have an administration that is, you know, we're all a little bit wary about, right? So, and they could be doing it for timing purposes, but it doesn't mean that the information that's within those file dumps aren't actually true.

And so we're seeing that majority of these file dumps in the first, we're in the fifth tranche now, have actually been pretty wonderful.

The only thing that they lack is full analysis and that's unfortunate because the Aero Office needs to do that and that's what the American taxpayers pay for that government to do and they're not doing it well, unfortunately.

And so that's real challenge that we're getting in the analysis isn't wonderful, but we are seeing the footage.

And so it's leaving, you know, civilian researchers to be able to look into this information themselves, which some of them can do very well.

The UFO community is extremely well equipped with wonderful scientists and academics to do this.

No offense if you drink or you're Bob.

What's your process for deciding which stories deserve more attention, serious attention?

Yeah, it's true.

We're at the point now where I think people are over photos and videos, right? I think we're [laughs] releasing things independently when it comes to videos, unless it's like things, you know, the most amazing footage we've seen.

I think we're over that now because we're getting dumps from the government, right? So we're expecting, you know, the-- I don't think the days of the independent, uh, UFO photo coming out from a journalist are, are done, I think in, in my perspective.

So we need documentation.

We need conversations.

We need meetings.

Carl Sagan is famous for his quote, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." Do you think we've become better at demanding extraordinary evidence or are we becoming better at telling extraordinary stories?

The object exhibited many of the same characteristics as the orb and spheres observed by the pilots.

So it had the sun, but you could see the perce- the, the perspective of it, which is really, really cool.

You saw the road, and then you saw taillights, but then over top of a telephone post is where the, the UFO was.

Now, here's the thing.

It possibly could have been a drone, because it was, like, later '70s, '80s.

Drones were being tested then by the American government.

But my dad flashed his high beams at it, and it flashed back at my dad.

As reporter and podcaster Chrissy Newton explains, this story took a tragic end as Bennewitz was eventually hospitalized as his mental condition deteriorated.

called.

Oh, my gosh.

What is it called now? Alter ego.

There we go.

It's called alter ego.

And so it's created by MIT labs.

So if you want to take a look at that article, anyone that's reading the debrief, you'll find it interesting.

Yeah.