How do you manage to like, what's, what's it like in your brain to keep, keep casting and keep grinding? Just the, is it just the, the thrill of the chase still at that point then?

It's just knowing that it can happen, you know? And we've all been doing this for a long time, I guess.

You know, all the people that I was with and... none of us absolutely need to catch another musketeer or anything like that, you know, but it's just the prospect of another, of getting one that's, you know, super special.

It's just, it's worth it, you know, it's worth, worth putting in the hours and the sore arms and all that stuff.

And, you know, me personally, I, you know, I row a lot with the drift boat and the river stuff.

And then fishing fly fishing and throwing the muskie lures you know I get aches and pains and all that stuff and sometimes it's hard to fish through all that stuff but it's always worth it when you when you get that that tap you know And you get to swing and that first, first couple of head shakes when you're like, okay, so it's a real one, you know, or you set the hook and it doesn't move.

I mean, we've all done that.

Quickly is, do you think that's that segment of musky fishing is growing or is it pretty much just the same, the same? What segment, fly