Tell me a little bit about those.

Yeah.

Um, so Lyndsey Turner is the director.

She's amazing.

And, um, something we discussed a lot was actually the manosphere, and actually came up quite a bit was, uh, Louis Theroux's documentary recently and, and a lot of the interviews with the young men and, and, you know, the, just seeing interviews with some of these young vulnerable men that when they were actually asked what it was that they followed or admired about these people, they could never really articulate it.

It was just a feeling.

And I think that's very much what Lyndsey wanted the audience to experience with these young men that, you know, while, when Apis is actually radicalizing them and he's telling them about the injustice and the history and stuff, they're not really taking any of this in.

Does it motivate you then, the idea of, of being in a play like this, if it draws on those kinds of parallels and, and maybe makes it slightly more apparent that idea of, you know, sometimes people who are involved in situations like this, whether it is the lead up to World War I, whether it is the Manosphere, that it's frequently just about the way the message is told to them that can draw them into it?

And also, like, working with Alison Oliver as well, how did you sort of begin to develop that sort of fractured marital relationship between these two characters?

Uh, we just had a lot of fun, to be honest.

It was just, just running the scene, talking about the scene, talking about who these characters were.

There was an awful lot of time went into backstory, and we did a lot of improv, which I thought...

Like, Annie's thing that was referenced in the play, you know, where Portia and, uh, Raphael met, when they met, we sort of improvised that scene and what that would've been like in earlier points in their relationship, which gave us such...

You know, it's amazing when y- you're on stage and you're speaking about a memory as, as Raphael, and then you can relate to that memory in your head, 'cause we, we explored that scene.

You know? You're kinda just building this character, and then you're, you're even building their memories, which I think has such an effect on, on your performance.

instead of just sticking to, to screen work?